The World of Null A by A.E. van Vogt

(7:31:08 PM) KWM01 has entered the room. QueenSidhe (7:31:24 PM): Hi. KWM01 (7:31:34 PM): Hi, queen MandJHarper (7:31:44 PM): hey, Kelvin KWM01 (7:32:03 PM): Hi mand MandJHarper (7:32:04 PM): oops.... I'm Jeff in Iowa incognito MandJHarper (7:32:21 PM): or Baileyslave KWM01 (7:32:40 PM): THAT'S why I didn't reqcognize the name MandJHarper (7:32:43 PM): (multiple personality disorder) MandJHarper (7:33:08 PM): using a different computer... housestting KWM01 (7:33:27 PM): Ahh MandJHarper (7:34:01 PM): hear you decided Queen didn't have enough to read QueenSidhe (7:34:28 PM): hehe MandJHarper (7:35:09 PM): did you buy your Sten books new or used? KWM01 (7:35:14 PM): Well, I know I don't have enough, I don't know about you KWM01 (7:35:28 PM): some new, some old MandJHarper (7:35:43 PM): oh Lord - I have way too much... but that doesn't stop me frm getting more MandJHarper (7:36:28 PM): I'm trying to locate them all, but no luck... also the Turtledove Legion of Videssos KWM01 (7:37:44 PM): yeah, there both hard to find but I happen to live in a city that have a couple of specialty stores MandJHarper (7:38:16 PM): lucky you... we have several ussed books stores, but just the same stuff recycling over and over MandJHarper (7:38:46 PM): I found some stuff at abebooks, but will have to search some other sites for these KWM01 (7:39:31 PM): try http://www.bibliofind.com/ MandJHarper (7:40:03 PM): thnks...will do it tomorrow... I have no patience when hunting for titles QueenSidhe (7:40:22 PM): brb MandJHarper (7:40:55 PM): closest specialty shop is in Chicago... 3 hours away KWM01 (7:41:31 PM): I had to develop a patience for some of my harder to find title (pre-internet) KWM01 (7:42:17 PM): titles MandJHarper (7:42:23 PM): I used to think of it as a Zen exercise, but nowadays just hate waiting... esp. when it's just one title in the series thats missing MandJHarper (7:43:04 PM): and the fact that I "donated" a pretty good collection to the library a few years back doesn't make it any easier MandJHarper (7:43:13 PM): 5000 books gone KWM01 (7:43:21 PM): had to move? QueenSidhe (7:43:34 PM): Hmm. Maybe we should start up a specialty book search for members? KWM01 (7:44:29 PM): A list of books that we're still looking for posted on the book? MandJHarper (7:44:36 PM): personal problems... out of my head MandJHarper (7:44:50 PM): that would be interesting KWM01 (7:44:52 PM): board not book QueenSidhe (7:45:06 PM): Sure. KWM01 (7:45:12 PM): fruedian slip QueenSidhe (7:45:27 PM): Some books are more available in different cities MandJHarper (7:46:07 PM): and being near a large university probably helps KWM01 (7:47:20 PM): If you live in california, you always live near a large university MandJHarper (7:47:25 PM): though we have no shortage of romance novels here in Davenport:-D QueenSidhe (7:47:38 PM): =) (7:47:41 PM) ZorPrime67 has entered the room. ZorPrime67 (7:47:48 PM): hello all! QueenSidhe (7:47:52 PM): Hi Zor. KWM01 (7:47:54 PM): Hi, Zor MandJHarper (7:47:55 PM): hey, Zor MandJHarper (7:48:08 PM): (Baileyslvae incognito) ZorPrime67 (7:48:11 PM): Sorry was busy i got a new os... trying to get it working :-) ZorPrime67 (7:48:20 PM): heh QueenSidhe (7:48:41 PM): I'll talk to Jill about it. QueenSidhe (7:48:53 PM): Maybe we can have all of BCC involved. ZorPrime67 (7:48:54 PM): Hows everyone? MandJHarper (7:49:12 PM): Queen, BBunch used to have a swap site QueenSidhe (7:49:22 PM): I'm slow at the moment. Eatting w/ one hand. MandJHarper (7:49:27 PM): fine, Zor... how's the weather up north? ZorPrime67 (7:49:43 PM): still cold... but its getting warmer everyday :-) MandJHarper (7:50:16 PM): hmmmmmm.... does that mean you're sending the cold south? KWM01 (7:51:01 PM): anyone else coming? QueenSidhe (7:51:14 PM): Don't think so. QueenSidhe (7:51:25 PM): I wish the clouds would move out. MandJHarper (7:51:25 PM): probably to late for Ender QueenSidhe (7:51:37 PM): A bit gloomy MandJHarper (7:51:45 PM): pitch black here ZorPrime67 (7:51:45 PM): Hmmm Jeff... i wont push cold south :-) MandJHarper (7:52:05 PM): sned it farther north, Zor... polar bears love it! ZorPrime67 (7:52:07 PM): poor ender.... its too late for him prolly... QueenSidhe (7:52:07 PM): So, did every get a chance toread null-A? ZorPrime67 (7:52:14 PM): Jeff - lol ZorPrime67 (7:52:17 PM): Yep KWM01 (7:52:21 PM): Yea MandJHarper (7:52:24 PM): most of it QueenSidhe (7:52:40 PM): opinions? KWM01 (7:52:45 PM): crap ZorPrime67 (7:52:48 PM): my opinion of it is in the middle. not bad but not great IMO QueenSidhe (7:52:50 PM): lol ZorPrime67 (7:52:50 PM): rofl MandJHarper (7:52:55 PM): yow MandJHarper (7:53:30 PM): i was waiting for Kelvin to tell me why I should like it! KWM01 (7:53:41 PM): wait i'm slow QueenSidhe (7:53:48 PM): lol! ZorPrime67 (7:53:51 PM): hehe MandJHarper (7:54:10 PM): so why is it crap, K? QueenSidhe (7:54:46 PM): I found confusing. Things were coming up out of nowhere. QueenSidhe (7:54:55 PM): No real explaination of things. MandJHarper (7:55:20 PM): I agree with Zor's post that it was more philosophy than novel MandJHarper (7:55:47 PM): though I wondered if maybe it was part of a loose series QueenSidhe (7:55:48 PM): Break your post up, Kelvin. ZorPrime67 (7:55:54 PM): and i dont really like philo book QueenSidhe (7:55:59 PM): You can't post things that are too big. KWM01 (7:56:10 PM): I think that it was good when it was printed in 1945 but to me it's thinly veiled show communistic philosophy MandJHarper (7:56:11 PM): it was interesting... but not as novel ZorPrime67 (7:56:27 PM): Kevin I thought the same... ZorPrime67 (7:57:05 PM): I finish it cuz it was small :-)... if it would have been a 300 pages book i wouldnt have finish it. :-) I'm too lazy QueenSidhe (7:57:18 PM): =) MandJHarper (7:57:28 PM): or maybe just not a philosophy major ZorPrime67 (7:57:43 PM): And the 'I dont remember a thing' story is kind of cliche right now ZorPrime67 (7:57:52 PM): I'm tired of those stories :-) QueenSidhe (7:57:53 PM): Philosophy gives me a headache. ZorPrime67 (7:57:58 PM): hehe QueenSidhe (7:58:14 PM): Time paradoxes do too. KWM01 (7:58:15 PM): I took me three days of on and off read. How about eveyonr else? MandJHarper (7:58:29 PM): over a week... MandJHarper (7:58:37 PM): but I was reading other stuff too ZorPrime67 (7:58:38 PM): And reading more and more about the A and null-A thing on the web started me to laugh at those theories... kind of funny stuff anyway... QueenSidhe (7:59:00 PM): Read about half in a day. Then didn;t pick it up again for over a week. QueenSidhe (7:59:09 PM): But that was real life related. MandJHarper (7:59:19 PM): was it innovative for its time, and just hasn't aged well, or just plain crap? ZorPrime67 (7:59:22 PM): took me 2 weeks cuz i read that at work during lunch time. ZorPrime67 (7:59:34 PM): Innovative for its time. ZorPrime67 (7:59:39 PM): I would say QueenSidhe (8:00:02 PM): I think it was written around the time of thenull-A andIGS movement. KWM01 (8:00:15 PM): I think that it was something that had to be explored at the time ZorPrime67 (8:00:23 PM): i guess MandJHarper (8:00:36 PM): are other Van Vogt books similar? ZorPrime67 (8:01:02 PM): Didnt tried other stuff ZorPrime67 (8:01:16 PM): I dont think i will too QueenSidhe (8:01:43 PM): I'm going to try Slan at some point. QueenSidhe (8:02:01 PM): But I haven't read anything else by van Vogt. MandJHarper (8:02:04 PM): my copy had three novels bound together, and wondering if worht the time to read other two QueenSidhe (8:02:39 PM): I'm told by other people that they liked the other stories in the Triad. ZorPrime67 (8:02:46 PM): Same here but i dont think I will read the other stuff. In fact the book is going back to library tomorrow MandJHarper (8:02:58 PM): that's what this was called! QueenSidhe (8:03:10 PM): I have the same book. KWM01 (8:03:57 PM): I have a crapy library, had to buy mine MandJHarper (8:04:13 PM): oops! No wonder you were upset! ZorPrime67 (8:04:19 PM): lol QueenSidhe (8:05:02 PM): SF library didn't have it? KWM01 (8:05:11 PM): nope MandJHarper (8:05:16 PM): I don't read much classic sci fi, so are there other authors from that time period I should look for? QueenSidhe (8:05:18 PM): That sucks. QueenSidhe (8:05:32 PM): Well, we'll be reading Piper. MandJHarper (8:05:36 PM): I know Heinlein and Clarke QueenSidhe (8:05:41 PM): When was his stuff published? MandJHarper (8:05:53 PM): got that, Queen, plu s the Fuzzies ZorPrime67 (8:06:08 PM): sci/fi - gotta read asimoc foundation series, if you havent already. MandJHarper (8:06:14 PM): have ZorPrime67 (8:06:16 PM): err asimov MandJHarper (8:06:19 PM): and Robots ZorPrime67 (8:06:30 PM): I didnt like robots that much. MandJHarper (8:06:40 PM): i liked short stories ZorPrime67 (8:06:47 PM): im fantasy junkie... MandJHarper (8:06:53 PM): me aussi QueenSidhe (8:07:04 PM): I liked some of the shorts I read for the group last year, but I haven't read anything by Asimov since. ZorPrime67 (8:07:07 PM): :-) nice french QueenSidhe (8:07:12 PM): I do have some stuff by him, though. KWM01 (8:07:36 PM): tried andre norton? MandJHarper (8:07:37 PM): merci... all the French I know comes from Agatha Christie novels QueenSidhe (8:07:57 PM): lol ZorPrime67 (8:08:02 PM): hehe MandJHarper (8:08:28 PM): did she write Gryphon series? ZorPrime67 (8:08:37 PM): dunno MandJHarper (8:08:57 PM): no sci fi by her that I remember ZorPrime67 (8:09:17 PM): same KWM01 (8:09:17 PM): time trader series QueenSidhe (8:09:25 PM): Norton. QueenSidhe (8:09:38 PM): And they've just been reissued. MandJHarper (8:09:48 PM): remember first title? MandJHarper (8:10:06 PM): I've read her recent fantassies ElvenBane QueenSidhe (8:10:09 PM): For the reissue? Time Traders I. MandJHarper (8:10:14 PM): ok QueenSidhe (8:11:11 PM): I'm not sure if I really like Norton's work. MandJHarper (8:11:38 PM): why? QueenSidhe (8:11:43 PM): I tried reading her Witchworld stuff, which lots of people recommend. QueenSidhe (8:11:50 PM): I didn't like them at all. MandJHarper (8:11:58 PM): dated ideas? QueenSidhe (8:12:08 PM): I didn't like her writing style. ZorPrime67 (8:12:34 PM): can i still ask a question about World of Null-A ? lol MandJHarper (8:12:41 PM): lol QueenSidhe (8:12:43 PM): lol. Sure. ZorPrime67 (8:12:46 PM): hehe ZorPrime67 (8:12:50 PM): ::is nutz:: ZorPrime67 (8:12:53 PM): ok here it is KWM01 (8:12:57 PM): sure but don't expect a answer ZorPrime67 (8:13:17 PM): If gosseyn is Lavoisseur... then Lavoisseur must have been from the future. No? ZorPrime67 (8:13:24 PM): lol KWM01 (8:13:30 PM): no QueenSidhe (8:13:34 PM): Past, I think. QueenSidhe (8:13:43 PM): It didn't sound like they had time travel. ZorPrime67 (8:13:54 PM): hmm MandJHarper (8:13:56 PM): I thought someone mentioned he was a clone ZorPrime67 (8:13:59 PM): but he was older... QueenSidhe (8:14:05 PM): Gosseyn was just a clone of Lavoisseur. ZorPrime67 (8:14:11 PM): ::is totally lost:: :-) QueenSidhe (8:14:18 PM): Lavoisseur was older. ZorPrime67 (8:14:27 PM): and X was lavoisseur? QueenSidhe (8:14:30 PM): He was also X. QueenSidhe (8:14:34 PM): Another clone. QueenSidhe (8:14:40 PM): Different clone QueenSidhe (8:14:44 PM): X was killed by that doc. ZorPrime67 (8:14:51 PM): my theory is that everyone were all clone ZorPrime67 (8:14:53 PM): :-) QueenSidhe (8:14:56 PM): =) QueenSidhe (8:15:15 PM): I think only X, Gosseyn, and Lavoisseur were clones. MandJHarper (8:15:18 PM): well, Hello Dolly (baa) QueenSidhe (8:15:31 PM): All of the same person w/ different memories stored in their brains. QueenSidhe (8:15:34 PM): lol KWM01 (8:15:54 PM): gosseyn is a copy of Lavoiseur without his memory ZorPrime67 (8:16:04 PM): I didnt like the fact that we didnt had any information about that empire... ZorPrime67 (8:16:19 PM): okies... so they all from the same time QueenSidhe (8:16:28 PM): Yeah. And who were the Imperial/Galatic people? ZorPrime67 (8:16:34 PM): I tink i can live with that :-) ZorPrime67 (8:16:43 PM): Queen - no clue ZorPrime67 (8:16:49 PM): err think QueenSidhe (8:16:58 PM): They just popped up out of no where. ZorPrime67 (8:17:12 PM): mb we had to read some other books... was that the first book in a series ? ZorPrime67 (8:17:16 PM): heh MandJHarper (8:17:17 PM): maybe from Slan? QueenSidhe (8:17:39 PM): Lavoisseur said that they could control the aging on the clones. Just let them grow and then send them out into the world. ZorPrime67 (8:18:42 PM): How long should it takes to make a 18 years old clone? MandJHarper (8:19:11 PM): but this was all conjecture on authors part? Seems hard to imagine with what we see nowadays ZorPrime67 (8:19:12 PM): I would say 18 years QueenSidhe (8:19:25 PM): I have no clue. But I think L said they sped up X's life. ZorPrime67 (8:19:27 PM): that book didnt age very well i guess ZorPrime67 (8:20:18 PM): Takes molly the cloned sheep (in real life)... it was looking like a baby but they said she was 9 years old since the cells in her were 9 years old... or something like that... ZorPrime67 (8:20:30 PM): that cloning stuff is confusing me... MandJHarper (8:20:48 PM): and her brain cells were already atrophying as a bay MandJHarper (8:20:59 PM): so she'd be senile in her teen years ZorPrime67 (8:21:01 PM): didnt knew that QueenSidhe (8:21:11 PM): Me either. MandJHarper (8:21:12 PM): an unwanted side effect ZorPrime67 (8:21:22 PM): So cloning is a problem... ZorPrime67 (8:21:32 PM): Damn... all my saving for nothing!!! :-) ZorPrime67 (8:21:38 PM): I'll go buy some more books! ZorPrime67 (8:21:40 PM): hehe MandJHarper (8:21:57 PM): drink Oil of Olay... fountain of youth ZorPrime67 (8:22:01 PM): rofl ZorPrime67 (8:22:12 PM): Anyone started reading ender game? ZorPrime67 (8:22:30 PM): 60 pages already... and its awesome so far KWM01 (8:22:31 PM): reread you mean MandJHarper (8:22:32 PM): gotta finish Harafish for Book Bunch first QueenSidhe (8:22:34 PM): Nope. MandJHarper (8:22:50 PM): Kelvin have you read recent sequels? QueenSidhe (8:22:52 PM): Re-read here too. ZorPrime67 (8:22:56 PM): Kelvin i never read it :-) ZorPrime67 (8:23:19 PM): yeah i wanna know too if sequels are good too! KWM01 (8:23:23 PM): yes but most of them sucked ZorPrime67 (8:23:30 PM): hehe QueenSidhe (8:23:52 PM): I liked the stuff about Jane. QueenSidhe (8:23:58 PM): All other things got a bit weird. KWM01 (8:24:55 PM): after "speaker of the dead" they got bad, though "ender's shadow" was supposed to be good QueenSidhe (8:25:31 PM): The short in Far Horizons was nice. MandJHarper (8:25:32 PM): but it ties into ender's game though? KWM01 (8:25:59 PM): yes, its the story of Bean QueenSidhe (8:26:03 PM): The sequels he wrote "immediately" after Ender's game takes place centuries after Ender's Game. MandJHarper (8:26:18 PM): so I can skip others and read those two QueenSidhe (8:26:19 PM): The latest ones are more like direct sequels. MandJHarper (8:26:52 PM): that sounds odd... why would Card do that? QueenSidhe (8:28:00 PM): I have no idea. KWM01 (8:28:29 PM): same MandJHarper (8:28:38 PM): in most seris, you get sequels and prequels, but not long after -quels QueenSidhe (8:29:09 PM): Foster does large time breaks between sequels. MandJHarper (8:29:16 PM): and his other series (Alvin aand Spellsinger) were pretty much chronological QueenSidhe (8:29:17 PM): I don't really like that style. QueenSidhe (8:29:39 PM): You get to know and like certain characters and you never see them again in the sequel. MandJHarper (8:30:09 PM): it hardly sounds like a sequel to me QueenSidhe (8:30:16 PM): But you don't see that in Card's. Ender and his sister are the main characters. QueenSidhe (8:30:21 PM): Among other people. MandJHarper (8:31:03 PM): oops - I 'm mixing authors I think MandJHarper (8:31:57 PM): Its those darn three word names! QueenSidhe (8:32:20 PM): lol MandJHarper (8:32:51 PM): so, Kelvin, Enders gets a thumbs up? KWM01 (8:33:25 PM): yes, a very good book over all MandJHarper (8:33:42 PM): good to know from onset QueenSidhe (8:33:56 PM): I'd give it an okay. Some interesting parts, but I didn't love it. QueenSidhe (8:34:05 PM): Although, I did go on to read the rest. MandJHarper (8:35:56 PM): ok - I'll get to it - I'm gonna bug out - take care and see ya next time! QueenSidhe (8:35:57 PM): I guess I'm just one of the odd ones. MandJHarper (8:36:02 PM): LOL QueenSidhe (8:36:05 PM): Night Jeff. KWM01 (8:36:11 PM): bye (8:36:18 PM) MandJHarper has left the room. ZorPrime67 (8:36:26 PM): later jeff ZorPrime67 (8:36:28 PM): doh ZorPrime67 (8:36:58 PM): ok i'll think ill go sleep too... later all.. cya in the forum! KWM01 (8:37:10 PM): later (8:37:44 PM) ZorPrime67 has left the room.

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