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QueenSidhe (7:36:38 PM): Okay. QueenSidhe (7:36:41 PM): I'm good now. Z0rPr1me (7:36:42 PM): Welcome back! Z0rPr1me (7:36:45 PM): cool QueenSidhe (7:36:54 PM): Thanks. QueenSidhe (7:37:05 PM): So did you read the book? Z0rPr1me (7:37:08 PM): yep Z0rPr1me (7:37:11 PM): you? :-) QueenSidhe (7:37:20 PM): Yay, me. I actually finished it before the chat. :-) Z0rPr1me (7:37:27 PM): hehe Z0rPr1me (7:37:36 PM): like it? QueenSidhe (7:37:46 PM): I thought it was very weird. Z0rPr1me (7:37:50 PM): hehe QueenSidhe (7:37:51 PM): You? Z0rPr1me (7:38:06 PM): I enjoyed it. Pretty interesting but at the end I was confuse QueenSidhe (7:38:23 PM): I think there might have been some myths and legends in there that I've never heard of. QueenSidhe (7:38:30 PM): Which makes it hard to understand. Z0rPr1me (7:38:32 PM): maybe he should have wrote more page to explain a little bit more heh Z0rPr1me (7:38:34 PM): agreed QueenSidhe (7:38:35 PM): What got you confused? Z0rPr1me (7:38:54 PM): who are they Z0rPr1me (7:39:01 PM): why Lobey had to go there Z0rPr1me (7:39:09 PM): Did he succeeded ? Z0rPr1me (7:39:18 PM): What was the point of all this ? :-) Z0rPr1me (7:39:27 PM): I guess I didnt understand the book :-) Z0rPr1me (7:39:32 PM): Shame on me... QueenSidhe (7:39:38 PM): Who they were? I think they're aliens who came to earth. Z0rPr1me (7:39:46 PM): You sure ? Z0rPr1me (7:39:54 PM): I would say they were primates :-) QueenSidhe (7:39:57 PM): And for some reason, they tried to become human. Z0rPr1me (7:40:07 PM): yeah but why? QueenSidhe (7:40:31 PM): Unless the radiation did something funny to us, we don't have more than 2 sexes. QueenSidhe (7:40:35 PM): no clue. Z0rPr1me (7:40:39 PM): hehe Z0rPr1me (7:41:14 PM): When I read the back cover I would have thought that we would have seen more questionning about our existance QueenSidhe (7:41:21 PM): Me too. Z0rPr1me (7:41:22 PM): and why there was that last war. QueenSidhe (7:41:31 PM): It wasn't at all like what I expected. Z0rPr1me (7:41:38 PM): same here QueenSidhe (7:41:43 PM): For some reason, I thought it would be more like archeology. Z0rPr1me (7:41:59 PM): I still liked it tho Z0rPr1me (7:42:13 PM): But the end seem pointless. QueenSidhe (7:42:17 PM): I'd probably rate it a 2. Z0rPr1me (7:42:20 PM): or rushed mb QueenSidhe (7:42:29 PM): It was interesting, but very weird. Z0rPr1me (7:42:29 PM): 3.5 out of 5 Z0rPr1me (7:43:05 PM): Lets say that this book is unique. QueenSidhe (7:43:08 PM): I kept feeling like I wasn't seeing what Delany was trying to say. QueenSidhe (7:43:12 PM): Very. Z0rPr1me (7:43:33 PM): First Delany read for you? Me it was QueenSidhe (7:43:46 PM): Yup, first time I've read his stuff. Z0rPr1me (7:43:59 PM): I'm tempted to read another one. QueenSidhe (7:44:05 PM): Did you get the version with the forward from Neil Gaiman? Z0rPr1me (7:44:09 PM): Yep QueenSidhe (7:44:13 PM): Me too. Z0rPr1me (7:44:24 PM): I got the version with the same cover you got on the site QueenSidhe (7:44:28 PM): I have to agree with him that some of those journal entries were interesting. Z0rPr1me (7:44:36 PM): heh QueenSidhe (7:44:46 PM): You get a glimpse of what the author is thinking as he works on the book. Z0rPr1me (7:44:57 PM): Writer's Journal entries was from him ? QueenSidhe (7:45:02 PM): Like the hair color change for Kid Death. QueenSidhe (7:45:06 PM): Yup. Z0rPr1me (7:45:07 PM): heh Z0rPr1me (7:45:14 PM): that was nice. QueenSidhe (7:45:24 PM): Actually made me think about my own writing. Z0rPr1me (7:45:33 PM): :-) QueenSidhe (7:45:40 PM): Would anyone be interested in the various ways that story had changed? QueenSidhe (7:46:13 PM): Or just your thought processes to get where the novel finally went? Z0rPr1me (7:46:38 PM): I prefer the thought processes QueenSidhe (7:47:43 PM): I'd think that might be a bit hard to show without showing some of the way the story developed and grew. QueenSidhe (7:47:53 PM): Or maybe not. I don't know. :-) Z0rPr1me (7:48:05 PM): hehehe Z0rPr1me (7:48:41 PM): For me this could won nebula. QueenSidhe (7:48:52 PM): It's very original. Z0rPr1me (7:48:53 PM): was way more interesting for me than that neuromancer. QueenSidhe (7:49:10 PM): Yeah. QueenSidhe (7:49:29 PM): So far, all the nebula winners we've read have been different and not exactly to my taste. QueenSidhe (7:49:46 PM): But I think this was the most original. QueenSidhe (7:49:57 PM): I don't think ANYONE has ever done anything like it. Z0rPr1me (7:50:00 PM): Not my favorite book tho. I still prefer a story like Jumper or Storm Front. I'm more mainstream in books QueenSidhe (7:50:11 PM): Yup. Me too. Z0rPr1me (7:50:29 PM): I hate having to guess who is the bad guy and the good guy... hehehe Z0rPr1me (7:50:39 PM): i guess I'm lazy while I read. Z0rPr1me (7:51:07 PM): Now the next one gonna be tough for me. I hate short story compilation Z0rPr1me (7:51:09 PM): =) QueenSidhe (7:51:09 PM): Well, this one you didn't really have to guess. QueenSidhe (7:51:18 PM): Really? Z0rPr1me (7:51:25 PM): yep QueenSidhe (7:51:27 PM): Why? You always want more? Z0rPr1me (7:51:32 PM): yep QueenSidhe (7:51:40 PM): :-) Z0rPr1me (7:51:43 PM): 25 pages is too short for a story :-) QueenSidhe (7:51:53 PM): Well, some of those were turned into novels. QueenSidhe (7:52:06 PM): And I don't think some of the other ones needed to be longer. QueenSidhe (7:52:11 PM): I liked that book. Z0rPr1me (7:52:17 PM): Oh well. we'll see mb I'll enjoyed it more than i think QueenSidhe (7:52:23 PM): We'll see. And reading it should be fast, right? Z0rPr1me (7:52:29 PM): I'll trust you Z0rPr1me (7:52:37 PM): I guess... :-) QueenSidhe (7:52:41 PM): :-) Z0rPr1me (7:52:49 PM): <---- slow QueenSidhe (7:52:54 PM): lol, I know. Z0rPr1me (7:53:00 PM): lol Z0rPr1me (7:53:31 PM): I had to guess for kid death and spider. Didnt know if spider was a good or bad guy. Still dont :-) Z0rPr1me (7:53:50 PM): At one point I told myself, spider = kid death :-) QueenSidhe (7:54:03 PM): Well, Dove (?) called him Judas at the end, I think. Z0rPr1me (7:54:11 PM): yep QueenSidhe (7:54:20 PM): So, does that make him good or bad? Z0rPr1me (7:54:20 PM): Dove was strange QueenSidhe (7:54:28 PM): Or just a forever turncoat? Z0rPr1me (7:54:31 PM): Still dont know rofl QueenSidhe (7:54:49 PM): She was interesting. Z0rPr1me (7:54:49 PM): ::scratch heads:: Z0rPr1me (7:54:53 PM): yep Z0rPr1me (7:55:04 PM): Kid death was bad... QueenSidhe (7:55:19 PM): By the end of that chapter, I understood why he'd chosen those quotes. Z0rPr1me (7:55:21 PM): mb I'll need to reread the book. Now that I know how it ends QueenSidhe (7:55:22 PM): yup. QueenSidhe (7:55:29 PM): Me too. QueenSidhe (7:55:36 PM): This is one you need to really think about. QueenSidhe (7:55:45 PM): And try to research the various myths. Z0rPr1me (7:55:51 PM): yep Z0rPr1me (7:56:13 PM): I know some of those myths but with french names. Not the same sometimes. QueenSidhe (7:56:18 PM): I know the general outlines of the Orpheus myth, but not all the details. QueenSidhe (7:56:39 PM): And I don't know how Billy the Kid made a good Kid Death. Z0rPr1me (7:56:53 PM): heh QueenSidhe (7:57:26 PM): And all those other people's names mentioned at the end. Z0rPr1me (7:57:58 PM): ? QueenSidhe (7:58:14 PM): There were a bunch of names given to describe eah character. QueenSidhe (7:58:24 PM): You know how Lobey was Orpheus and Ringo? QueenSidhe (7:58:32 PM): (However that works out.) Z0rPr1me (7:58:37 PM): lol QueenSidhe (7:58:46 PM): Spider gave himself some more names, and the same for kid Death. Z0rPr1me (7:58:50 PM): He was Ringo? QueenSidhe (7:59:01 PM): That's what La Dire and Lobey said. QueenSidhe (7:59:07 PM): Don't know how, though. Z0rPr1me (7:59:12 PM): lol QueenSidhe (7:59:20 PM): But I don't know that much baout Ringo besides that he didn't sing much. Z0rPr1me (7:59:33 PM): rofl QueenSidhe (7:59:35 PM): Just played the drums or something. Z0rPr1me (7:59:38 PM): and he is ugly. QueenSidhe (7:59:43 PM): It's the nose. Z0rPr1me (7:59:48 PM): ROFL QueenSidhe (8:00:02 PM): All those guys seemed to look pretty much alike when they were young. QueenSidhe (8:00:10 PM): Baby faced. QueenSidhe (8:00:17 PM): And black and gray. QueenSidhe (8:00:30 PM): :-) Z0rPr1me (8:00:41 PM): lol QueenSidhe (8:01:09 PM): This is one of those books you could spend a lot of time researching and analyzing. Z0rPr1me (8:01:24 PM): yep QueenSidhe (8:01:46 PM): I'll probably try and reread it again this weekend. Z0rPr1me (8:01:55 PM): Lots of stuff not much explaining... so you gotta work to get the information hehe QueenSidhe (8:01:58 PM): Then I have to get my hands on Doomsday Book. QueenSidhe (8:02:03 PM): Yup. QueenSidhe (8:02:12 PM): Just hints at you. Z0rPr1me (8:02:20 PM): that one seems intresting. Big book tho. 500+ pages QueenSidhe (8:02:37 PM): And since we're not living in the 60's, and don't know much myths, we're missing out on a lot. QueenSidhe (8:02:42 PM): Yeah. Z0rPr1me (8:02:46 PM): I gotta finish Stone of Tears first... 900+pages... OMG QueenSidhe (8:02:54 PM): I'm thinking we might want to push it until after Feb. QueenSidhe (8:03:15 PM): Work-wise, I'm going to be very, VERY busy. Z0rPr1me (8:03:35 PM): the 50's SCI-FI is very Metaphysical or something. spiritual mb.... not like theses days. QueenSidhe (8:03:51 PM): These days, it's action, adventure, and politics. Z0rPr1me (8:03:58 PM): if you need time to read it... lets push the deadline :-) QueenSidhe (8:04:02 PM): :-) Z0rPr1me (8:04:04 PM): yep QueenSidhe (8:04:33 PM): Do you think if this book had been released now, it still could have won the nebula? Z0rPr1me (8:04:41 PM): I might try another book from him and see if he kept the same style. QueenSidhe (8:04:51 PM): Let me know. Z0rPr1me (8:04:51 PM): Hmmm.... I think it would. QueenSidhe (8:04:54 PM): Me too. Z0rPr1me (8:05:08 PM): That book is not aging. (?) Z0rPr1me (8:05:22 PM): Or can stay current for a very very long time. Z0rPr1me (8:05:26 PM): Sorry my english so bad QueenSidhe (8:05:27 PM): It's not the same as the Dragonflight story, which I think we'd decided would not have won the Nebula now. Z0rPr1me (8:05:39 PM): agrres Z0rPr1me (8:05:42 PM): err agrees QueenSidhe (8:05:56 PM): It might age, but since it's all about myths anyway, it's not a problem. Z0rPr1me (8:06:05 PM): yep QueenSidhe (8:06:23 PM): Ringo was popular around that time, and we still know about him today. The Beatles have become a legend. QueenSidhe (8:06:32 PM): Which fits into the story. Z0rPr1me (8:06:41 PM): But it talks about difference between people. The way to deal with different personnality or religion. I think. QueenSidhe (8:07:06 PM): yes. And I think it also talks a bit about racism. Z0rPr1me (8:07:11 PM): that will always be current IMO. QueenSidhe (8:07:13 PM): What with the kages. Z0rPr1me (8:07:14 PM): Agrees QueenSidhe (8:07:17 PM): Yeah. Z0rPr1me (8:07:49 PM): I liked the fact that there was a big city and a village. QueenSidhe (8:08:06 PM): See both ends of the spectrum? Z0rPr1me (8:08:08 PM): and he showed that the aliens from the village were more folk people than the city poeple. Z0rPr1me (8:08:32 PM): the orgy talk was interesting. QueenSidhe (8:08:52 PM): I wonder why it was so important to have a large genepool base. Z0rPr1me (8:09:08 PM): Spider says something about it... can't remember tho Z0rPr1me (8:09:32 PM): was to have more differences. Z0rPr1me (8:09:58 PM): I thought that in the city they were more tolerable about differences than in village. QueenSidhe (8:10:24 PM): It sounded like the village has gotten more tolerant as time passed. QueenSidhe (8:10:40 PM): But what's their current definition of functional? QueenSidhe (8:11:02 PM): And are the Les only allowed inside the kages? That would be interesting to know. Z0rPr1me (8:11:04 PM): I can't remember... Z0rPr1me (8:11:16 PM): yep QueenSidhe (8:11:23 PM): I think there was only one Le ever mentioned, Le Dorik. QueenSidhe (8:11:51 PM): In the city, I'm not sure what they think. Z0rPr1me (8:12:01 PM): We didnt saw a lot of the city. Z0rPr1me (8:12:05 PM): Only spider talk Z0rPr1me (8:12:12 PM): and Dove QueenSidhe (8:12:14 PM): Mentioning differences and categorizing sounded taboo, but ... QueenSidhe (8:12:22 PM): Pistol too. Z0rPr1me (8:12:32 PM): yeah QueenSidhe (8:13:38 PM): How long did it take you to understand the Dove signs? Z0rPr1me (8:14:08 PM): Til she explained it. Z0rPr1me (8:14:22 PM): you? QueenSidhe (8:14:56 PM): Me too. When she was talking about the orgies and stuff. Z0rPr1me (8:15:21 PM): Cuz I thought she was nutz while reading the sign with Lobey :-) QueenSidhe (8:15:26 PM): Lol. QueenSidhe (8:15:28 PM): Me too. QueenSidhe (8:15:41 PM): After a point. There is such a thing as TOO MUCH. Z0rPr1me (8:15:48 PM): hehe Z0rPr1me (8:16:09 PM): that was a good book... QueenSidhe (8:16:21 PM): Yup. Z0rPr1me (8:16:23 PM): discussing it is interesting. QueenSidhe (8:16:30 PM): Yeah. QueenSidhe (8:16:47 PM): And I'm going to try to find some more info on the various people and their myths. QueenSidhe (8:16:59 PM): It'll be very interesting to see how they all connect together, |