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The Warrior's Apprentice
by Lois McMaster Bujold



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thelizzyliz (6:06:25 PM): Hello
RMLWJ1 (6:06:38 PM): Hi, Liz, Vickie, Miranda.
OneByTheWall (6:06:45 PM): hi
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millerj13 (6:06:56 PM): what was wrong with other chat room?
QueenSidhe (6:07:08 PM): Hi.
RMLWJ1 (6:07:34 PM): dunno
millerj13 (6:07:44 PM): hi Miranda
OneByTheWall (6:07:49 PM): i think i screwed up...trying to get into book chat room, I draged al you with me?????
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QueenSidhe (6:07:58 PM): Hi ADuck.
QueenSidhe (6:08:02 PM): Lol
ADuckAmuck (6:08:02 PM): woo woo...I made it!
OneByTheWall (6:08:19 PM): this isn't Baen Bar chat room
QueenSidhe (6:08:29 PM): You're supposed to just click on your name Miranda, not the entire Bar list.
millerj13 (6:08:33 PM): nope, it's not
RMLWJ1 (6:08:52 PM): lol
OneByTheWall (6:09:04 PM): *%#@ sorry everybody, egg on my face:-(
RMLWJ1 (6:09:10 PM): LOL
ADuckAmuck (6:09:12 PM): hee hee
millerj13 (6:09:15 PM): even more pressing, who's ADuckAmuck?
QueenSidhe (6:09:20 PM): This is the chatroom for a SF reading group I'm hosting.
RMLWJ1 (6:09:29 PM): Cool.
ADuckAmuck (6:09:37 PM): Hi miller...I'm just lurking...didn't read the book :(
OneByTheWall (6:09:47 PM): bad duck bad duck
QueenSidhe (6:09:53 PM): This is the first meeting.
ADuckAmuck (6:09:59 PM): <--waddling away in shame
QueenSidhe (6:10:02 PM): The book was The Warrior's Apprentice
millerj13 (6:10:03 PM): which book?
RMLWJ1 (6:10:06 PM): What book is that, Duck?
RMLWJ1 (6:10:26 PM): Jeeze. Been a long time.
millerj13 (6:10:28 PM): ok... I've read it... (granted... it was years ago..)
ADuckAmuck (6:10:30 PM): are there any other BB'ers here tonite?
QueenSidhe (6:10:40 PM): I don't think so.
OneByTheWall (6:10:45 PM): so, if i wanted to go back to Baen, not that I want too, how would I do it?
QueenSidhe (6:10:51 PM): Jill is in sculpture class, I think.
ADuckAmuck (6:11:01 PM): Oh yes, that's right! Forgot about that!
QueenSidhe (6:11:11 PM): Click your name and invite yourself to Baen Bar Chat.
QueenSidhe (6:11:21 PM): Or if you have the link on your desktop, hit that.
OneByTheWall (6:11:24 PM): got it, i think
OneByTheWall (6:11:45 PM): a little technology in my hands is a dangerous thing
QueenSidhe (6:12:09 PM): lol
ADuckAmuck (6:12:14 PM): lol One...know how you feel...just picked up a CD-RW drive today...looks like I'll have to return it...
RMLWJ1 (6:12:27 PM): Bummer
ADuckAmuck (6:12:42 PM): I know... :(
QueenSidhe (6:13:24 PM): What's the problem with it?
millerj13 (6:13:58 PM): so, when does the book chat start?.....
ADuckAmuck (6:14:00 PM): turns out my computer is a) too slow, and b) I need a working CD drive to install the RW's software...but that's why I was getting it in the first place
OneByTheWall (6:14:59 PM): suppose to start at 9pm est
ADuckAmuck (6:15:31 PM): by all means start...I just wanted to see the inaugural chat of Sidhe's group :)
QueenSidhe (6:15:53 PM): =) Thank you.
ADuckAmuck (6:16:10 PM): ::snort:: especially since I missed the last one!
millerj13 (6:16:37 PM): are there others coming today? should we wait?
QueenSidhe (6:17:04 PM): No, let's start.
millerj13 (6:17:57 PM): ok....someone refresh my memory as to the story line? :-[ It has been at LEAST 10 years
millerj13 (6:18:16 PM): (hey, I didn't know there was gonna be a quiz)
QueenSidhe (6:18:20 PM): It starts off with Miles trying applying for the Imperial Service Academy.
QueenSidhe (6:18:34 PM): He's passed the academic exams.
QueenSidhe (6:18:45 PM): Now he needs to pass the physical/gauntlet.
OneByTheWall (6:19:09 PM): when he jumps off the wall and should have known better?
QueenSidhe (6:19:16 PM): ADuck, Miles is short, 5', and has very breakable bones.
ADuckAmuck (6:19:45 PM): needs more milk, eh? :)
RMLWJ1 (6:20:00 PM): Tetratogenicdamage
QueenSidhe (6:20:16 PM): Is mom was poisoned while she was pregnant w/ him.
QueenSidhe (6:20:19 PM): His
RMLWJ1 (6:20:42 PM): Symptoms similar to osteochondritis, IIRC
millerj13 (6:20:49 PM): ok... and Piotr is PO'd
ADuckAmuck (6:20:52 PM): I see, poor guy...is this the first in a series of books on him?
QueenSidhe (6:20:59 PM): Yes.
QueenSidhe (6:21:10 PM): There are two books before about his parents.
RMLWJ1 (6:21:18 PM): Second or third in a series, first one with Miles as an adult.
QueenSidhe (6:21:28 PM): The second of the two is when hismom is pregnant w/ him.
QueenSidhe (6:21:50 PM): Piotr is Mile's grandpa.
RMLWJ1 (6:21:51 PM): Just re-read the first one the other day.
RMLWJ1 (6:22:14 PM): Shards of Honour
RMLWJ1 (6:22:26 PM): Honor -- sorry.
millerj13 (6:22:37 PM): (ok, he hies off to Beta Colony, and creates teh Dendarii? that one?)
QueenSidhe (6:22:47 PM): Yes.
OneByTheWall (6:22:48 PM): yew
OneByTheWall (6:22:50 PM): s
QueenSidhe (6:23:24 PM): Anyway, after Miles fails to get into the aceademy, Piotr is angry. Then Piotr dies.
ADuckAmuck (6:24:21 PM): what is it about this book that caused you to choose it over the beginning of the series...is Miles the best character?
QueenSidhe (6:24:47 PM): I like Miles a lot. It;s his manic personality
millerj13 (6:24:54 PM): Miles IS the series.. the previous two were written as backstory later
OneByTheWall (6:25:15 PM): at the funeral for Piotr, Miles gets caught with Elania smooching on couch!
ADuckAmuck (6:25:34 PM): oh oh oh...I see...I definitely prefer publishing order to chronological order mesself
QueenSidhe (6:25:38 PM): Elana is the daughter of Miles' bodygaurd.
OneByTheWall (6:26:05 PM): I prefer to read them in chronological order
RMLWJ1 (6:26:47 PM): I preferred the chrono order instead of publishing order in this case.
ADuckAmuck (6:27:23 PM): really? Does it make more sense that way?
OneByTheWall (6:27:33 PM): to me, it does
RMLWJ1 (6:28:24 PM): Me, too.
ADuckAmuck (6:28:25 PM): I just have a pet peeve with how the Narnia Chronicles were renumbered...so it carries over into my other opinions :)
QueenSidhe (6:28:29 PM): I started with Miles first, so I didn't get very into his parents' lives. But it did explain some stuff.
OneByTheWall (6:29:19 PM): it wasn't until my third read, that I got what and how he was able to take over the Dendarii
thelizzyliz (6:29:32 PM): Sorry, but I need to go, invite me again please
QueenSidhe (6:29:40 PM): Bye Liz.
ADuckAmuck (6:29:42 PM): night lizzy
RMLWJ1 (6:29:51 PM): Bye, Liz.
OneByTheWall (6:29:58 PM): bye and sorry for my goof
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QueenSidhe (6:31:32 PM): What was your fav scene, One?
OneByTheWall (6:32:35 PM): Miles ditching Bothari(sp) at airport
OneByTheWall (6:33:32 PM): yours?
QueenSidhe (6:33:54 PM): I liked Arde's reaction when he found out Miles is that hyper even without the stimulants.
ADuckAmuck (6:34:40 PM): hee hee
QueenSidhe (6:34:47 PM): =)
RMLWJ1 (6:35:16 PM): lol
ADuckAmuck (6:35:29 PM): did you all enjoy the book?
millerj13 (6:35:37 PM): sorry... my egg timer just expired as well....... toodles
ADuckAmuck (6:35:37 PM): (s)
QueenSidhe (6:35:44 PM): Night John.
millerj13 (6:35:47 PM): (yes, duck, it's wonderful series)
ADuckAmuck (6:35:52 PM): poor egg timer :D night miller
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ADuckAmuck (6:36:42 PM): what about the series is the most appealing? Do you identify with it? Or is it sheer entertainment perhaps?
QueenSidhe (6:36:53 PM): Yes, it's a great series, ADuck.
ADuckAmuck (6:37:00 PM): (nevermind me and my nosy questions...just curious :)
QueenSidhe (6:37:07 PM): no problem.
QueenSidhe (6:37:25 PM): You might like what we tell you enough to read it. =)
OneByTheWall (6:37:40 PM): but hope we don't give away all the good parts!!!
ADuckAmuck (6:37:56 PM): that's what I"m fishing for :)...but truthfully, the cover didn't thrill me (dont you love my criteria of choosing? )
QueenSidhe (6:38:13 PM): Which cover did you see?
ADuckAmuck (6:38:22 PM): I'll duck out in a few minutes to make sure I don't hear too much :)
OneByTheWall (6:38:23 PM): it's a good fast and exciting read, can't beleive how Miles gets himself out of troulble
QueenSidhe (6:38:38 PM): And INTO them
OneByTheWall (6:38:44 PM): ;-)
QueenSidhe (6:39:07 PM): I like the series because of Miles' personality and thinking.
ADuckAmuck (6:39:10 PM): I honestly don't remember Sidhe...it just seemed a little cheesy, like a romantic novel cover...it was a ppbk edition...
QueenSidhe (6:39:18 PM): He's very good at wiggling out of the problems he lands in.
QueenSidhe (6:39:40 PM): Ahh. That's the version I have.
OneByTheWall (6:39:42 PM): he's very good a walking into trouble too!
RMLWJ1 (6:39:43 PM): Yeah.
ADuckAmuck (6:40:37 PM): well, it is sounding better, I must admit
QueenSidhe (6:40:47 PM): And there's always a laugh even when it's serious.
OneByTheWall (6:41:28 PM): what's your fav. part Curmudgeon?
RMLWJ1 (6:42:19 PM): «hangs head in shame» I really can't remember it that well. It's been a while.
QueenSidhe (6:42:37 PM): How about one in the entire series?
OneByTheWall (6:43:00 PM): did you get caught in ACC excitment last year?
QueenSidhe (6:43:09 PM): I did.
QueenSidhe (6:43:17 PM): ACC is the latest book in the Miles series.
ADuckAmuck (6:43:25 PM): ty :)
QueenSidhe (6:43:26 PM): A Civil Campaign.
RMLWJ1 (6:43:52 PM): So far, my favourite scene is the end of the notorious dinner party in ACC. When the Countess asks the armsman if he can tell her what's going on and he says "No, milady."
QueenSidhe (6:44:05 PM): lol
OneByTheWall (6:44:19 PM): that was "I'd rather not" I think!
QueenSidhe (6:44:43 PM): ACC is mostly about marriage and politics.
QueenSidhe (6:44:52 PM): With MANY funny scenes.
OneByTheWall (6:45:05 PM): and many touching ones too
RMLWJ1 (6:45:28 PM): Something like that. Followed by Miles' response to "are you drunk?' of something to the effect of "not nearly enough yet."
QueenSidhe (6:45:34 PM): Simeon and Kat's conversation comes to mind under that category.
OneByTheWall (6:45:45 PM): yep!
RMLWJ1 (6:45:51 PM): Yeah
RMLWJ1 (6:46:32 PM): "Hang him." "I'll do my best."
QueenSidhe (6:46:34 PM): I think my fav scene in ACC is when Kat proposes marriage
RMLWJ1 (6:46:47 PM): That's up there, too.
OneByTheWall (6:47:11 PM): I liked the book before Komar (drawing blank on title) because Miles matured soo much
RMLWJ1 (6:47:20 PM): Although the armsman's reaction to the Vorkosigan bug isn't bad either.
QueenSidhe (6:47:22 PM): "You know when the father gives the suitor 3 tasks...Don't." Or something like that.
QueenSidhe (6:47:29 PM): Memory.
OneByTheWall (6:47:36 PM): thanks, I need some!
QueenSidhe (6:47:40 PM): =)
OneByTheWall (6:48:47 PM): always get that one and mirror dance confused
QueenSidhe (6:49:28 PM): I think Memory is my fav.
ADuckAmuck (6:49:49 PM): thanks for giving me the lowdown on the books! I'll hop out now so you can talk about the juicy parts...Thanks for hosting Sid...nice to meet everyone! :) Byeee
QueenSidhe (6:50:01 PM): Bye ADuck.
RMLWJ1 (6:50:10 PM): Bye, Duck
OneByTheWall (6:50:11 PM): bye Ducky
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OneByTheWall (6:50:57 PM): Komar is the one that really got to me
QueenSidhe (6:51:11 PM): Got to you how?
OneByTheWall (6:51:44 PM): some personal aspects of my life are incorporated there
OneByTheWall (6:52:58 PM): the best part was Miles and Ekaterin coming out of the water!
RMLWJ1 (6:53:15 PM): that was funny.
QueenSidhe (6:53:22 PM): I liked it when Miles was listing his girlfriends.
OneByTheWall (6:54:17 PM): and Ekaterin asked to take a number and Miles answered the next number up is One
RMLWJ1 (6:55:03 PM): lol
RMLWJ1 (6:55:11 PM): I'd forgotten that one.
OneByTheWall (6:55:57 PM): Miles also made a lot of goofs in that book, tactical and personal, trying on his auditors role for size and not knowing how it should fit
QueenSidhe (6:56:05 PM): I can just picture how Miles looked when he was telling her that.
QueenSidhe (6:56:23 PM): He was very reserved in that one.
OneByTheWall (6:57:01 PM): afraide of his new found weekness, the seasures
RMLWJ1 (6:57:24 PM): True.
QueenSidhe (6:57:26 PM): And his powers as Auditor.
RMLWJ1 (6:58:14 PM): Pretty wide set of powers there. Short of mass executions, more or less.
QueenSidhe (6:58:28 PM): Yes. He's the elephant now.
OneByTheWall (6:58:40 PM): I liked how he was proecting Ekaterin during fastpenta
RMLWJ1 (7:00:07 PM): Something like that really makes one reserved.
RMLWJ1 (7:00:35 PM): Then again, a really PO'd elephant is something to see.
QueenSidhe (7:00:43 PM): lol
OneByTheWall (7:01:06 PM): one thing about the book, in the very begining, it states that she goes downstairs when Tien is leaving to go get Miles and her uncle, but no ware else in the book, when they ara at front door do they talk about staris again...always wonder if that is a staging error that Lois didn't catch?
RMLWJ1 (7:01:31 PM): IIRC, Death in the Long Grass has a description of what happened when a hunter missed his shot and wounded a large rogue bull elephant.
RMLWJ1 (7:01:56 PM): Late hunter, I should say.
QueenSidhe (7:02:14 PM): Maybe. But it might not be all that inportant.
QueenSidhe (7:02:40 PM): I found Miles' and Kat's relationship a little strange between Komarr and ACC.
OneByTheWall (7:02:49 PM): not really, but I try to visualize settings and people, helps me keep things straight
OneByTheWall (7:03:02 PM): how so
QueenSidhe (7:03:28 PM): Kat's first in line as girlfriend in Komarr.
QueenSidhe (7:03:43 PM): Then in ACC, Miles is courting Kat in secret.
OneByTheWall (7:04:43 PM): in Komar, Miles is serious when he says it, but neither he or Ekaterin can discuss it because he has to leave
OneByTheWall (7:05:26 PM): she's to raw from her previous marriage to even think about Miles as courting her
QueenSidhe (7:05:56 PM): She seemed interested at the end of Komarr.
QueenSidhe (7:06:08 PM): But maybe all the shocks at the end of Komarr was too much.
OneByTheWall (7:06:15 PM): she doesn't have the seflesteem, and is lacking confidence, remember she is baffeled why he told her all about his loves and why he gave her all his phone numbers
QueenSidhe (7:06:48 PM): I don't remember Kat being baffled at the end of Komarr.
OneByTheWall (7:07:13 PM): interested in a friend maybe, and she thought he was feeling guilty about Tien's death, that's what she thought about Miles help with Nikkie at the hospital
QueenSidhe (7:07:17 PM): The way I remember, Kat had a big "Oh!" on her face when Miles says she's number one.
OneByTheWall (7:07:52 PM): yep, but they parted right after that and Miles backed into door frame
OneByTheWall (7:08:41 PM): the weight of that statement didn't sink into Ekaterin at all, she was just puzzled about all the info.
OneByTheWall (7:09:46 PM): Ekaterin's Aunt got it right away, but understood that Ekaterin couldn't deal with it, so she kept quite.
QueenSidhe (7:10:36 PM): That part I remember.
OneByTheWall (7:12:15 PM): the only thing about Komar that was disapointing and predicitable was the accidental running into the bad guys! knew that was comming a mile away. but it was an important part of the book
QueenSidhe (7:12:54 PM): When and who?
OneByTheWall (7:12:59 PM): I didn't forsee Ekaterin demolishing the whatchamacallit, but I cheered when she did
QueenSidhe (7:13:00 PM): (I need to reread the book.)
QueenSidhe (7:13:13 PM): lol. That was good.
OneByTheWall (7:13:55 PM): on the station, she went to meet Aunt, went down back way to stay out of noisy passageways cause Aunt was jump sick
QueenSidhe (7:15:30 PM): Disasterous chance for the bad guys.
OneByTheWall (7:15:48 PM): yeah, he also dropped his food!
QueenSidhe (7:17:01 PM): But station security was so incompetant. It was so unfair for that officer on Komarr.
OneByTheWall (7:17:50 PM): station security was unhappy that dirtsiders and out of towners were trying to run his show
OneByTheWall (7:18:24 PM): I like how Miles put him in his place!
QueenSidhe (7:18:36 PM): How much did they search when Kat pulled the alarm?
OneByTheWall (7:20:11 PM): they did go into loading dock and verify it was an error, they just didn't notify ImpSec Komar
OneByTheWall (7:20:35 PM): Ekaterin and her Aunt were held at gun point
QueenSidhe (7:20:49 PM): Did they already know about the crisis at that point?
OneByTheWall (7:21:58 PM): they were alarted to the problem, and were supposed to report any ting out of the ordinary
OneByTheWall (7:23:32 PM): this is a great idea, to exchange impressions of the books, but I'm at my limit for tonight! Please let me know when you'll be doing this again
QueenSidhe (7:23:57 PM): The next one is on The Ship Who Searched by McCaffrey.
QueenSidhe (7:24:05 PM): It's in 2 weeks.
QueenSidhe (7:24:23 PM): Then it's Talion: Revanent.
OneByTheWall (7:24:32 PM): ok, I'm not as up on it but count me in!
QueenSidhe (7:24:50 PM): Have you read them?
OneByTheWall (7:25:34 PM): have red McCaffrey, but not Talion
OneByTheWall (7:26:06 PM): got to run...Night
QueenSidhe (7:26:10 PM): Talion is pretty good.
RMLWJ1 (7:26:10 PM): NIght
QueenSidhe (7:26:15 PM): It's fantasy
QueenSidhe (7:26:19 PM): Bye Miranda
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RMLWJ1 (7:26:34 PM): I havent'read Talion
QueenSidhe (7:26:53 PM): Someone on the Bar recommended it.
RMLWJ1 (7:27:16 PM): Looks like I'll add it to the list of stuff to read then.
QueenSidhe (7:27:29 PM): =)
QueenSidhe (7:27:37 PM): And how big is that list?
RMLWJ1 (7:27:50 PM): Beaucoup.
QueenSidhe (7:28:31 PM): I'm going to the library to pick up my Lensmen books. I'll be back in a few.
RMLWJ1 (7:28:37 PM): One of the reasons I'm going to be looking for a house in the future is because of bookshelves.
RMLWJ1 (7:28:41 PM): K
QueenSidhe (7:29:01 PM): =) I double stack mine and the rest I keep in a box.
QueenSidhe (7:29:15 PM): But I only have one sshelf for books.
RMLWJ1 (7:29:21 PM): I have shelves, boxes, and piles on the floor.
RMLWJ1 (7:29:41 PM): No more room for decent sized shelves.
QueenSidhe (7:29:56 PM): The piles on the floor are library books.
QueenSidhe (7:30:14 PM): And the books on the desk by my bed I sometimes call the tower of babel.
RMLWJ1 (7:30:24 PM): Vickie, I'm going to pack it in. Had a lousy night last night, and I'm gettng sleepy. Thanks for the conference.
QueenSidhe (7:30:31 PM): I'm afraid it might come toppling down.
RMLWJ1 (7:30:37 PM): LOL
QueenSidhe (7:30:37 PM): Night.
RMLWJ1 (7:30:44 PM): NIght. Take care.
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